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Paying for sex
Men who enter pickup put so much time and energy into becoming a 'pickup artist" . If he decided to take a different path and devote his time and energy into something else for e.g. wealth and success. Then simply paying for sex would justify all the time and effort they have given up. Sure paying for sex is not that socially acceptable but its definitely alot easier to bang a model escort than it is to spend so much time and energy into "gaming" and ending up with 5s 6s and 7s.

If you think about it, the only reason a man goes through this arduous process of inner and outer game is to stroke the ego. Paying for women and devoting your time elsewhere is a lot more efficient. Does this make you a beta? I don't think so, I think the beta is the one that needs the validation for sex. Personally I have not paid for sex but I am not against it and would do it.

Not all guys seek this validation so really it comes down to marketing. Why else would guys inefficiently go for sex? bragging, validation, after sex confidence.. its all ego related. If I could go back in time I for sure would do things differently.

So are you against paying for sex?
11-19-2013, 01:07 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
I am for guys doing what ever they want. If they feel their time and money are better spent paying than so be it. If they feel their time and money are better spent gaming normal girls than so be it.

However I wont be taking pickup advice from a guy that does only P4P. And I wont respect a guy that spends all his money on P4P when he has other responsibilities he is neglecting (family etc).

11-19-2013, 01:50 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
I started off my sex life just banging whores and it was fun at the time. At the time though I had no idea about pickup.

I pretty much stopped banging whores during and after Peru. I need that ego stroking and I don't care if it sounds retarded I'm not a Buddhist.

Last 2 times I paid was in Chiang mai and the phils both for half price aka 10 quid in Thailand and 3 quid in the phils for a whole night no holes barred epic sex. I was attempting to shore them but something snapped those nights and by god was it good sex.
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11-19-2013, 03:04 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
Yes but in theory if you could spend more time on something else i.e getting rich then you could bang as many escorts as you want without money as a problem. And at that point who needs to be good at pickup your getting laid you just cant brag. I would personally rather be rich banging escorts and know less about 'game', then be in an average lifestyle knowing more. Bragging is cool and all but its something I can live without..In the past when i have had great sex I sometimes see what it is like not telling anyone that I just got laid and I wasn't any less happy.

The only thing I missed was the congratulatory high five lol.

Its not retarded to stroke the ego, its just something that anybody can live without. Whether its worth it or not is up to the individual.
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11-19-2013, 03:07 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
I'm interested in relationships.

Otherwise, I would be paying for sex.

If you just wanna bang, you're better off making big money in the US or Western Europe, and then blowing the cash on hookers.
Frankly, most people I know who are interested in PUA do it so they can find a girlfriend.

Now, the real question is, am I making a mistake?
Should I just be focusing on career so that I can become rich...and bang pros if I want sex?
Some people do that and are happy.

I prefer to live in a 3rd world country and have a girlfriend and later a wife and kids....but maybe I'm making a mistake and hookers and blow would be more satisfying. Haha, you never know until you try!
11-19-2013, 03:33 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
I wouldn't judge a dude for paying but in my opinion, many top ballers I've known coincidently are also good or at least decent with women. The same guy who can bang girls consistently is also more likely to have a streamlined and organized system to business and/or his career. The type of guy who is fearless and smooth with women is also likely to be able to charm a group of business investors. The same guy who goes to some foreign unknown country has the same mindset to discover new business opportunities that established businesses dont see.

I think the two go hand in hand. Being good with women helps you improve in your business/career.
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11-19-2013, 04:00 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
Myself would prefer to be a well rounded man with ample experience doing both lol

It spices things up when you sprinkle in 1 or 2 hookers with the regular girls on a trip.

Keeps things interesting Wink
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11-19-2013, 06:00 PM
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its also the thrill of the chase......sex is also better with someone that actually wants to fuck you

and sure ego comes can come into it... just like blokes on these forums seeking validation and internet popularity that go on about how great their 'game' is and how many women they fuck even though they go to phillipines, thailand and colombia to do it...places where a bloke with a head that resembles a busted arsehole can get laid.
11-19-2013, 06:38 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
It's nothing to do with bragging when I talk about ego and more to do with self respect and that your worth something. I don't have to tell anyone to feel good about it that's a bonus plus I'm not a loser so I don't see it as bragging when others tell their tales. I want to know more. Plus you just don't appreciate sex when you pay for it. It can be fun but it ends there. It cannot compete with the real thing and never will.
And Jesus it hardly takes that much time to learn how to pickup chicks. It's likely a lot easier to achieve than becoming rich. Read goodlookinglosers best posts. The "game/mm method/ autisitic social managing days are over.

Most guys just need to hit on more girls and be more aggressive about it and I include myself as one of those guys.
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11-19-2013, 06:39 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
Never banged a hooker, never had to.

But I don't judge people for paying, it's the worlds eldest profession, as long as no exploitation or children are involved I'm alright with it.

What I will call out is guys trying to go around saying how it's a skill to "shore". It's not. It's the lowest of the low low. And if you're doing it or done it, I really wonder how you can look at youself in the mirror in the morning without throwing up. They think they're getting paid and you not paying them after probably means they're too scared to ask in a forceful manner and don't have a pimp to enforce (probably a good thing they don't though). In any case, you're cheating someone out of honest labour and wasting their time they could have spent with a paying customer. They're not selling their body for no reason. They're obviously desperate for money. You might as well be snatching the collection box from the salvation army and making a run for it. It's pathetic.

If they want to sleep with you on their free time, they'd frigging say it. They'll cling onto you like any other woman. Make plans to meet you when they're not working.
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11-19-2013, 06:54 PM
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Yeah man when they state beforehand that they don't give a shit about money and want to fuck about 4 times beforehand its really low. I feel just awful about it.

I do think its wrong when guys don't bring up the money issue I will actively state I'm not paying and if she needs money to find a customer. It's not a skill its 90% looks and your general vibe. I'm a dumbass thai girls love that shit.
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11-19-2013, 07:09 PM
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Then you're not shoring right? And it's morally fine. You're just sleeping with someone who works as a hooker. That obviously holds very little appeal to me, but it's your own personal biz. You can't come back and say you shored, you can come back and say "last night I slept with a girl who otherwise is a prostitute".

If you make it clear you're not paying before hand, you're good.

Thai girls love every half decent, half-tall looking western guy and they're casual about sex. Indeed it's no skill to get laid in south east asia, with hookers or regular girls. Which makes me wonder why so many guys are so information hungry, all you have to do is show up and have a good time.
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11-19-2013, 07:21 PM
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Look up Zolos shoring article. It's basically what I described I do. Some of the dudes at rvf would likely have been keeping quiet about money in the likes of insomnia in bkk because I can tell you now I didn't find it easy at all with my way of doing things. I banged like 3 birds from there and that was it. Spicy and swing had far better time though all though they're pretty hellish too. Also had better time on khoa San road. Less thai girls but had an easier time meeting normal birds than in the after hours clubs.

Either way the reason people shore is due to the other options holding little appeal e.g. Thai clubs where everyone sits around a table and does little mixing isn't my idea of fun.
11-19-2013, 08:18 PM
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Then don't go to nightclubs to pick up then. It's not like you can't meet birds everywhere here.

Coffee shop, mall, 7/11, restaurant, internet etc.
11-19-2013, 09:08 PM
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RE: Paying for sex
(11-19-2013, 06:54 PM)Sexyback Wrote: Never banged a hooker, never had to.

But I don't judge people for paying, it's the worlds eldest profession, as long as no exploitation or children are involved I'm alright with it.

What I will call out is guys trying to go around saying how it's a skill to "shore". It's not. It's the lowest of the low low. And if you're doing it or done it, I really wonder how you can look at youself in the mirror in the morning without throwing up. They think they're getting paid and you not paying them after probably means they're too scared to ask in a forceful manner and don't have a pimp to enforce (probably a good thing they don't though). In any case, you're cheating someone out of honest labour and wasting their time they could have spent with a paying customer. They're not selling their body for no reason. They're obviously desperate for money. You might as well be snatching the collection box from the salvation army and making a run for it. It's pathetic.

If they want to sleep with you on their free time, they'd frigging say it. They'll cling onto you like any other woman. Make plans to meet you when they're not working.

How would you know how much skill it takes to bang a hooker for free if you have never done so?

Ill tell you what, lets go to Costa Rica and I would love to see you pull a hooker from the Del Rey for free.

Lets clarify, shoring isnt tricking a hooker into thinking your paying then when the deed is done not paying. Thats not shoring. Thats being a bitch.

11-19-2013, 09:17 PM
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