Poker 21 Scam : Vietnam

[Herman]

Anyway, this happened to me twice, first time that I got fucked up and second time after that, that one guy tried to get me.

Right after I landed in Phnom Penh I rented an apartment, dealt with all the shit around and because it was already a night I just came outside of the house and walked just block and a half. I saw a cambodian guy on a street smoking cigarette so I asked him if he has a spare one, he gave me one and started to speak fluent english which I did not expect. We spoke for about half an hour about random shit and he gave me story that part of his family moved to US before the war started and that he is visiting his uncle. Said that he has some amateur band with his cambodian friends and sings around pubs and so on, blah blah. Right before the end he invited me to his uncles house, if I want to "experience the real khmer cousine". I said of course.

So we met at the same place next day (around str. 310 if I remember) at the same time. He drove me to the house. Much nicer house than the one that I rented a floor at but as well the typical Chinese bullshit house. We sat at a table, some old khmer women cook a bit humble lunch for us, after that his female cousin came and we talked for about half an hour, than his uncle came, old Khmer guy (They did not really look Pinay, I actually never been there but from those that I have met they did not look similar but just like a random Khmers). We sat on a couch and talked for quite a while about Cambodia, war and shit I actually liked the guy which does not happen ofter, I guess that he found out after a while how to appeal. After some time he told me that he is working in casino and he is about to retire next year and if I would like to help him that he can drive me to the casino, I would stay there for free and shit. He would set up a scam with a poker staff and I would win the game which would partly divide between him and other employees. I started to feel the gut feeling but I wasnt used to it until that point and I wanted to know how much can I get from this either of thrill or something else so I played along.

A few moments from that he said that he is taking and rich muslim guy from Brunei to some Casino on Nam border and he is coming here in a moment and we can rip him off in a quick game. He took me to a "poker room" showed me the game and how he will give me signs of what the Brunei guy has. He gave me a $200 to start to play with. The guy came, I played the part. We played and the Brunei guy started to take out off his holdall stock off 100 bills on the table. He asked me to put more cash on the table so I put there $80 that I had in pocket. We played I won almost each time and before we showed the carts for the last time he started to demand all the money to be shown on the table, which was about $20k or so. Of course I had no intensions of doing anything and just waited what will happen and tried to play on the "Brunei" guy a game like "you don't trust me?" and shit. But it was funny as I didn't know that is all set up I acted really confidently.

The "uncle" guy took me outside of the room and told me that he will try to get as much money from his friends as he can and I must help him and withdraw money, buy smartphones or gold. At this point I just wanted to get the fuck out, he seemed quite in panic and I did not wanted to owe a rich muslim any money it seemed like a good scenario to get fucked up. So he took me back we sealed the carts in an envelope and he "called" a driver, up this point the acting was really good and not pushy at all. I told him that it's ok and I will go to the centre to pick up some money (I just wanted to get the fuck out.) but he started to insist that his daughter will come with me, I refused and then it started to be shitty, he insisted really hard and I just kept refusing so he had no choice. I jumped on the motorbike and the driver left me in front of the ATM next to the "new PP mall". I immediately searched poker scam and there it was. I was actually glad that I did not owe any money to anyone.

The thing was that I was the first time in the city and did not know shit. I did not know if the driver is not with them and if anybody is not following me so I went a bit paranoid also after I red that they sometimes put a bit of rohipnol in drinks to make people more willing. I started to walk back to my apartment according to GPS, not taking straight route and looking over my shoulder. I got in, locked the fucking door and placed knifes and "self-defence" tools that I had next to every entry point and under a pillow.

I am actually glad that it happened, I was more cautious after that, aware and overall good experience.

[Rick91]

Damn you had a close call. I wonder if these poker scam people have ever fucked with someone they truly regretted. Backpackers seem to be the norm. They probably avoid long term drunk degenerate expats. Less cash plus more volatile.

[nomadphilippines]

(10-22-2016, 04:18 AM)calamansi Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 02:28 AM)nomadphilippines Wrote: i dont remember saying that anyone deserved to get off scot free...... or beat, or killed.... but ya thats pretty much exactly what i said

My apologies. I thought English was your first language and that you knew what your phrasing meant and implied. Your English is at that level where there are few enough mistakes that it sounds native but your understanding poor enough that what you say doesn't match your intended meaning. Keep at it and eventually you'll get it!

since when does what i said mean that the person who committed the act deserved to get off scot free?

i said the person who is dumb enough to follow a random stranger in a third world country and play a card game with them for money and loses their money gets what they deserve

somehow you twist this into if the perpetrator kills the other person they shouldnt be charged with murder (even though i never said anything about the perpetrator)

and im the one with the language problems lol

(ok, ive seen how you like to have 100+ reply arguments, im going to do my best to avoid it)

[wolfgang]

Reminds me of the feminists who get mad when men suggest they shouldn't go out alone and get black out drunk around strange men if they don't want to get assaulted.

I would agree that good and innocent people never deserve for bad things to happen to them, but at a certain point some basic common sense and a sense of personal responsibility is needed.

[calamansi]

(10-22-2016, 04:22 PM)nomadphilippines Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 04:18 AM)calamansi Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 02:28 AM)nomadphilippines Wrote: i dont remember saying that anyone deserved to get off scot free...... or beat, or killed.... but ya thats pretty much exactly what i said

My apologies. I thought English was your first language and that you knew what your phrasing meant and implied. Your English is at that level where there are few enough mistakes that it sounds native but your understanding poor enough that what you say doesn't match your intended meaning. Keep at it and eventually you'll get it!

since when does what i said mean that the person who committed the act deserved to get off scot free?

i said the person who is dumb enough to follow a random stranger in a third world country and play a card game with them for money and loses their money gets what they deserve

somehow you twist this into if the perpetrator kills the other person they shouldnt be charged with murder (even though i never said anything about the perpetrator)

and im the one with the language problems lol

(ok, ive seen how you like to have 100+ reply arguments, im going to do my best to avoid it)

All sarcasm aside, come on man. I don't have to grammatically analyze your sentence and explain it to you. You did not specify monetary loss. You said, exactly:

"honestly if you are taking detours to random guys homes in SEA you get what you deserve"

To me, that was general enough that I took it to mean, paraphrased for clarity, "if you're dumb enough to trust a stranger and go with them, you deserve whatever happens to you".

If you meant it to be limited to the context of this thread only for marks of this specific scam and monetary losses (and not other possible outcomes such as getting beat or killed for not paying up), then fine but the way it was expressed was ambiguous. Also, at least in my mind, I think it's reasonable to deduce that if you use the word "deserve" then yeah, you're not exactly seeking for the perp to be punished. Not sure how you would reconcile something "deserved" with punishment.

But even if we do constrain it to this particular scam and only monetary loss, not including physical harm, I still don't understand the mindset that victims of crimes should be evaluated on how dumb they were to fall for it. It equates to "smart people don't deserve to have crimes committed against them but dumb (read: naive) people do."

Meh. It's just my opinion and I'm not looking for a 100+ reply argument. I'm too busy for that anymore. Just food for thought and if it doesn't make you rethink your stance, that's ok too.

[calamansi]

(10-24-2016, 05:33 PM)wolfgang Wrote: Reminds me of the feminists who get mad when men suggest they shouldn't go out alone and get black out drunk around strange men if they don't want to get assaulted.

I would agree that good and innocent people never deserve for bad things to happen to them, but at a certain point some basic common sense and a sense of personal responsibility is needed.

It may remind you of that because you can't see the difference. I'll explain it to you.

There is a yuge difference between "you shouldn't drink so much you pass out around guys that you don't know very well because it's a sad reality that there are guys that will rape you if given the chance so be prudent" and "if you drink and pass out around guys you don't know, you deserve to get raped you dumb bitch".

Is it smart to pass out around guys you don't know? No. Does a girl "deserve" to get raped if she does it? Fuck no. Should she be held responsible if it happens? Fuck no. Should the guy get a lighter sentence based on how she's dressed? Fuck no. Does she need to understand that, even if it's unequivocally wrong for the guy to rape her, it's just dumb to pass out with unknown guys? Yes.

What I am saying is, the criminal is 100% responsible for the crime he committed. The victim is 0% responsible for that person's behavior. But the victim is 100% responsible for their own behavior and needs to understand that certain behaviors make them more likely to be victimized.

I WOULD say, "don't dress like that. It increases your chances of being a target."
I would NEVER say, "you dress like a whore so if you get raped you deserve it."

I don't know if I explained that very well or if you understood it anyway but that's my take.

P.S. You don't need to be a feminist to give a shit about people, regardless of sex. What are you? MRA? They typically think that anyone who doesn't agree with them on something must be a "feminist". LOL

[bvllvb]

Wonder if there is a community like the 419scammers where they scam the scammers.

[Herman]

Wonder if the SEA scammers think of themselves as a soy Robin Hoods. :-DDDDDDDDDD

[nomadphilippines]

(10-24-2016, 11:29 PM)calamansi Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 04:22 PM)nomadphilippines Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 04:18 AM)calamansi Wrote:

(10-22-2016, 02:28 AM)nomadphilippines Wrote: i dont remember saying that anyone deserved to get off scot free...... or beat, or killed.... but ya thats pretty much exactly what i said

My apologies. I thought English was your first language and that you knew what your phrasing meant and implied. Your English is at that level where there are few enough mistakes that it sounds native but your understanding poor enough that what you say doesn't match your intended meaning. Keep at it and eventually you'll get it!

since when does what i said mean that the person who committed the act deserved to get off scot free?

i said the person who is dumb enough to follow a random stranger in a third world country and play a card game with them for money and loses their money gets what they deserve

somehow you twist this into if the perpetrator kills the other person they shouldnt be charged with murder (even though i never said anything about the perpetrator)

and im the one with the language problems lol

(ok, ive seen how you like to have 100+ reply arguments, im going to do my best to avoid it)

All sarcasm aside, come on man. I don't have to grammatically analyze your sentence and explain it to you. You did not specify monetary loss. You said, exactly:

"honestly if you are taking detours to random guys homes in SEA you get what you deserve"

To me, that was general enough that I took it to mean, paraphrased for clarity, "if you're dumb enough to trust a stranger and go with them, you deserve whatever happens to you".

If you meant it to be limited to the context of this thread only for marks of this specific scam and monetary losses (and not other possible outcomes such as getting beat or killed for not paying up), then fine but the way it was expressed was ambiguous. Also, at least in my mind, I think it's reasonable to deduce that if you use the word "deserve" then yeah, you're not exactly seeking for the perp to be punished. Not sure how you would reconcile something "deserved" with punishment.

But even if we do constrain it to this particular scam and only monetary loss, not including physical harm, I still don't understand the mindset that victims of crimes should be evaluated on how dumb they were to fall for it. It equates to "smart people don't deserve to have crimes committed against them but dumb (read: naive) people do."

Meh. It's just my opinion and I'm not looking for a 100+ reply argument. I'm too busy for that anymore. Just food for thought and if it doesn't make you rethink your stance, that's ok too.

you really are overthinking a simple phrase and a simple post on a message board

[tim.alemanha]

Well well, I have gotten into such a poker scam about 25 years ago in the early 90's in Phuket, exactly the same situation as you described I lost a gold chain, which I paid by credit card. Fortunately I was insured and I told the bank that someone just charging my credit card fraudulently and I got all my $2,000 back from the credit card company

[JJ Roberts]

(12-05-2017, 11:16 PM)tim.alemanha Wrote: n,  which I paid by credit card.  Fortunately I was insured and I told the bank that someone just charging my credit card fraudulently and I got all my $2,000 back from the credit card company

So the shop that sold you the gold chain got screwed because you lied to your credit card company even though you were insured?

[tim.alemanha]

(12-07-2017, 06:10 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:

(12-05-2017, 11:16 PM)tim.alemanha Wrote: n,  which I paid by credit card.  Fortunately I was insured and I told the bank that someone just charging my credit card fraudulently and I got all my $2,000 back from the credit card company

So the shop that sold you the gold chain got screwed because you lied to your credit card company even though you were insured?

Nope, he got his money, the insurance lost the money